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A deal fell through so my search for a 12'er continues 9 Replies

Started by Martin van Dooremalen. Last reply by FloridaGull 2 hours ago.

octave strings' height 4 Replies

Started by Robert Williamson. Last reply by Robert Williamson Apr 7.

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Comment by Robert Williamson on Sunday

Most guitars are 16" radius (both of my Seagulls certainly), my Fender Hellcat 12 string has a 12" radius (more curve). A matching radius in capo is important for applying pressure evenly. A 16" radius capo, and more so a flat one, leaves gaps at edges of fretboard.

Schubb does not specify radius for their 12 string capos, they just say curved.

Paige does not specify radius either for 12 string, they just say with radius.

Kyser does not even say if its capo curved..! 

Anyone know more?

Comment by Robert Williamson on Saturday

arrg..no liking it.. lever giving me hand cramps when adjusting... may be i  just order...

Comment by Robert Williamson on Saturday

i don't  know if i will buy one, I have a Bill Russell by Dunlop elastic 12 string capo on the way. Let me see how I like this Dunlop/Paige hybrid I've created in the meantime.

Another view of the kludge

Comment by Antonio Cotichini on Saturday

I feel almost save using my Shubb 12 str. capo... I bent it a little more, just to adapt the radius on the bass side, and find the the right amount of pressure with the screw, not too much to detune but not too less to have buzz. The hard thing is to compensate the saddle for a good intonation compromise.

My 2 cents...

Comment by Robert Williamson on Saturday

michael.. to prove the theory, I roughly sliced away most of the heat shrink tubing, effective making it 4 bands. You can see how rough the cuts are.  and that the band are uneven it width.

i then placed capo at 5th fret and positioned the band.to depress the ocatav strings and clear the standard strings, tested each placement for clarity.

Voila,a hybrid Dunlop/Paige 12 string capo.

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Comment by Reg Hayes on April 12, 2014 at 12:13pm

You are absolutely right, I mis-read their page!  Obviously, the person who took that picture put the capo on upside down.

My other comments are still valid though.

So, this capo seems to be what you want / need.  Are you buying one?  The price seems reasonable as it is very well made and you will probably only need the one for many years.  I don't know how well heat shrink tubing will hold up.  Aren't they usually a plastic and pretty tough and not too flexible under a small high pressure point?

Comment by Robert Williamson on April 12, 2014 at 11:35am

Reg, it doesn't make sense to me, at all. With all my capos, the problem is the low E, A and G, octave strings are not depressed enough to prevent buzz. It is not only the width but the radius as well which affects how evenly pressure is applied.

Paige quote: Also, innovatively incorporates 4 small clear tubes which position over the smallest of the E, A, D, and G strings to eliminate string buzz and excess pressure, resulting in detuning. -12-String Guitar, W/Radius P-12E

E,A D,G are the four lower strings. They are referring to the octave strings of those pairs. The four higher string would be referred to as E, B, G, D

Comment by Reg Hayes on April 12, 2014 at 8:11am

I went to the Paige Capo Web Site. That photo is correct. If you read their description, they are using the tubing to increase the pressure on the 4 higher string sets. Probably because the thickness of the bass strings might keep the capo up off the high strings a bit.  It makes sense, especially in the mechanics of their capo that provides equal pressure across the width of the neck. I have both Kaiser and Schubb capos for my 12-strings and my mandolins, actually may be a planet waves for the mandolin. Anyway, they all work fine once you get the right tension set.  Sometimes you have to put them on upside down; i.e., over the top or up from the bottom to get the right grip.  Usually, the main difference between a 6 string and a 12 string capo is the neck width it will cover.  Much like classical guitars, 12-strings have a wider neck and as you capo up that neck you need a wider capo to span the neck width and profile.

Try some capos out, whatever works for you is what works.  Unless the action on your 12-string is really high, a good quality capo should be able to handle all the strings.  When the occasion has demanded it, I have even got by with one of my 6-string capos that was wide enough to cover all the strings at that point on the neck.

Have fun!

Comment by michael schwartz on April 12, 2014 at 7:35am

@Robert: this foto does seem reversed. you are correct. Good idea about adding the tubing to the other capo. Maybe that'll make a couple of my old ones more useable...we'll see

Comment by Robert Williamson on April 12, 2014 at 6:11am

thiashas to be wrong, it is the lower octaves that buzz..

 

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