Thinking about changing bridge pins on one of my Simon & Patrick guitars. The Tusq website says that Godin uses a different size than most others, called "presentation." Does this really make a difference? I'm not buying Tusq pins and no one else mentions this difference. Looking at these from Colosi:
Craig, the short answer is yes. It does make a difference. Why? Because it's critical that a bridge pin fit snugly for its entire length. This ensures the best possible sonic transfer from the strings to the top, AND it's also important to minimize/prevent wood chipping between pins holes on the bridge plate.
With two identically dimensioned (made that word up) pins except one is longer than the other, the two pins will have a different taper angle. Remembering that pins have to fit snugly at the bottom of the hole too, these two pins would NOT be interchangable. Put another way, hole tapers and pin tapers have to match.
So if I may take a liberty, what you are really asking is, "will the pictured pins work on my S&P?" Measure your pins and compare the measurements of the pins you want to use. If they are the same, then yes, they work. If not, then no. Important dimension are: length from bottom of crown to tip, width just under crown, and width at tip. If they match, the taper is the same.
The pins in my Seagulls are 1/8" longer than the pins in my Yamahas - not the same...
Yes, I agree with Ralph ... There is a significant difference in the "presentation" style pin required by Seagulls and Taylors and some other brands. The flange or collar is larger and the shank is shorter and thicker. Here is a LINK to a picture showing the differences between traditional and presentation style bridge pins.
Let me just point out that older Seagulls, and by that I mean early 2000's models, use standard Martin type bridge pins. You can tell what you have by looking at the dots. Bridge pins with small 2 mm dots are standard size. Pins with large 4 mm dots are Presentation. Unless you have a caliper, you won't be able to measure the difference as it's quite subtle, maybe .02 inch in diameter IIRC, but it is important for all the reasons mentioned above, so get the right ones.
BTW, older Seagulls do not have Tusq pins, so switching there is a significant upgrade.
Note .. further study has revealed that Taylors do not use the presentation pins. Sorry for the error. The Bob Colosi bridge pin size chart appears to shows that Blueridge, Breedlove, some Gibsons, Huss & Dalton, and Maton as all share the samed size pins used on (newer) Seagulls.
Wayne where exactly are these dots?
The "dot" or inlay on the top of the bridgepin...
What FloridaGull said...
When I had my 1997 S&P dread in for a complete setup last June, my luthier replaced the original and worn-out plastic saddle with bone. He also replaced the original pins with new plastic ones. The old ones look exactly like the traditional pin in the Tusq graphic, so I think I'd be ok ordering pins from Pearse for that guitar. Have not had the pins out of the new Pro Folk yet to compare.
If the Godin acoustics use a different size bridge pin, does anyone know of a source besides Graph Tech?
BOB COLOSI is the most comprehensive source I know of.
Craig - that pic looks like you are about to go hunting... ;-)
Don't try to take any loose pins that look like that through airport security..."Man arrested with bridge, strap, and endpins at international airport - film at 11:00"
My Seagull Artist Mosaic came with tusq presentation pins with the abalone dot. Very nice touch ... when I lost one of the old ones, I replaced the whole set. The photo is of the replacements from Graphtech. Cost something like $23 I believe.
BTW, I have 4 extras if anyboy is missing one. Just let me know.