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For those who got their start in the '50s and '60s and continue to embrace folk music today.

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Latest Activity: Jun 23

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9th v 20th fret marker 2 Replies

Sorry cannot seem to comment and tried Terry's suggestion but still no go. Just wanted to comment on the ' unusual 10th fret marking after Luis comment....My Aristone from the the 60s is presumedly German made according to the guy who restored it…Continue

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Started by Margaret Galbraith. Last reply by Jim Yates Jun 23.

Anthem for Old Folkie? :-) 8 Replies

Well I won the popular vote by about 18,000 votes, but the judges still didn't select me (perhaps the oldest contestant) as a finalist in the big songwriting competition. But I'm not discouraged. In fact... I have one thing to say..... "Don't Write…Continue

Started by Lon Milo DuQuette. Last reply by Lon Milo DuQuette Dec 29, 2014.

IS THIS OLD FOLKY TOO OLD TO BE ON JIMMY KIMMEL? 2 Replies

Hello again friends.I turned 66 this summer and I'm still mad as hell and insanely optimistic about politics, war and peace and life in general. To give vent to the mad as hell part I wrote and recorded "You Bet Your Ass It's Class Warfare", and to…Continue

Started by Lon Milo DuQuette. Last reply by Lon Milo DuQuette Oct 20, 2014.

Radical Folk in the 21st Century

"I'm 65. I'm still alive and I''ve been around the block ..."I figured if anybody would get a kick out of my newest album, Gentle Heretic, it would be this group.Outside the Box - from the Gentle…Continue

Started by Lon Milo DuQuette Nov 4, 2013.

This Old Folky finally's on Pandora

It took a long time and many hoops to jump through but I finally have the songs of my first album on Pandora. I would really appreciate it if my old folky pals went to Pandora and created a "Lon Milo DuQuette" radio station and when my tunes turn up…Continue

Started by Lon Milo DuQuette Sep 14, 2013.

Harps and racks... 18 Replies

I know there's a group for real harp players, but I'm not in that class. However, since finding my old harp rack, and one of my harmonicas, I decided I'd start using them again when playing some of my favorite folk tunes.Any other of you folks using…Continue

Started by Phil Manuel. Last reply by Phil Manuel Aug 28, 2012.

Guitar Army 3 Replies

I live in Punta Gorda, Florida (between Sarasota and Fort Myers).  Every Thursday evening for years, and ever-growing bunch of musicians gather in Gilchrist Park (on Charlotte Harbor), naturally congregate into groups, and play/sing all sorts of…Continue

Started by Steve Widmeyer. Last reply by Jud Hair May 17, 2012.

Ok, THIS group is definitely for me. 2 Replies

I started playing back in the 60's and it has always been mostly PP&M, John Denver, Kingston Trio, Joan Baez, Joni Mitchell, Everley Bros., I could go on. Now days it is mostly John and PPM with a lot of Suzie Bogguss thrown in. If you're not…Continue

Started by Mike Bishop. Last reply by Alan Sturgess May 14.

I've waited 45 years for this! 6 Replies

O my gosh!!  Even though I'd grown up on traditional folk tunes, my acute awareness of music didn't come of age until 1962.  I was eleven years old by then, but could absolutely NOT get enough of P,P&M, Kingston Trio, Weavers, Highwaymen, Terry…Continue

Started by J. D. Woods. Last reply by Blues Agent Apr 19, 2012.

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Comment by Luis Motta da Silva on June 23, 2015 at 4:06pm

Funny! 

Well, all mandolins have an Italian origin, bandurrias came from Spain and, of course, Ukuleles are just... Portuguese cavaquinhos, taken to Hawaii by emigrants.

All those instruments have a common South Europe origin. As for banjos, although some people indicate an African origin, I tend to consider them as American instruments...

Comment by Jim Yates on June 23, 2015 at 3:35pm

All of my mandolins, octave mandolin, ukuleles, banjos and even my Filipino banduria have markers at the tenth fret, but my guitars, a Martin, a Gibson, a Gretsch and a Goya (made in Sweden) have 9th fret markers.  Most guitars seem to have 9th fret markers, while most other instruments seem to have 10th fret markers.  I've often wondered why.

Comment by Luis Motta da Silva on June 23, 2015 at 3:28pm

Jim Yates,

That guitar is an "old acquaintance", true?

I remember having commented before on another detail of that instrument (apparently it has bridge and tie piece in two separated parts). But this particular detail of the marker at the 10th fret does amaze me. What can I say?

I'm no authority on the matter, but it always puzzled me that American instruments had position markers at the 9th fret, because Portuguese guitars have markers at 10th fret, or no marker at all at that part of the fingerboard.Greek Bouzoukis seem to be marked at the same place (10th fret):

Italian Mandolins are marked at the 10th fret (at least those I had in my hands were), and this 1928 Portuguese mandolin I repaired is marked at the 10th fret (in fact, the fingerboard is a replacement, but it reproduces the original one).

In fact, I believe the tradition in Southern Europe is to mark the fingerboard at the 10th fret.

Is the mark at the 9th fret a specific American feature? My 12-string is German, and it's marked at the 9th fret.

However, I don't know if that is a German tradition taken to America by 19th century luthiers. I checked pictures of 19th century C. F. Martin's guitars, and they don't have markers. However early 20th century Martin guitars do have markers at the 9th fret. Is that an American innovation? The reason why my German 12-string is marked at the 9th fret could as well be due to a German tradition or to the fact that the instrument is a copy of American guitars...

One thing is for sure: the instruments I make are marked at the 10th fret - even if they are steel-string guitars:

Now, returning to the guitar in the picture you posted, I wonder, could it be an Italian instrument? That could be an explanation for the marker at the 10th fret. If it is an American instrument, that position marker is a mystery to me... but the separate bridge and tie piece are much more peculiar...

Anyway, it's a very interesting instrument... thanks for pointing out this curious detail!

Comment by Jim Yates on June 23, 2015 at 2:09pm

John Herald's playing on the Ian & Sylvia and Greenbriar Boys records was my introduction to bluegrass style flat-picking.  I was shocked and saddened in 2005 to hear of his tragic death.

Comment by Jim Yates on June 23, 2015 at 2:06pm

This is the photo I meant.  Just asking about the guitar that the late John Herald is holding.

Comment by Dave Fengler on June 23, 2015 at 4:24am

No photo.

Comment by Jim Yates on June 23, 2015 at 2:50am

I posted this photo and essentially the same question in a Facebook group today.  When I took a closer look at the guitar, I noticed that there is a position marker at the tenth, rather than the ninth fret.  While this is normal for banjos, ukuleles and mandolins, it is rarer for guitars.

Comment by Lon Milo DuQuette on November 17, 2014 at 3:37pm

Thanks Mike. My five music videos came in 1st, 2nd, 5th, 6th, 7th and 8th. I hope that enough to get me noticed by the judges! 

Comment by Lon Milo DuQuette on November 17, 2014 at 3:35pm

Thanks Michael! Keep your fingers crossed.

Comment by Mike Raeburn on November 17, 2014 at 3:30pm

Well Done!!

 

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