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Comment by Michael S. Jackson on December 19, 2011 at 2:05pm

Me too.

They were not the freak accident that many people think.

Comment by Edward Sparks on December 18, 2011 at 2:13pm

Very cool Michael!!!

I read in an interview with John recently that when they were in the studio with George Martin recording one of the many starter versions of "Walrus" John had them tap a line out of a radio and he perused the dial...when he came to the King Lear broadcast he stopped and it just fell in so well with where they were4 in the song they kept it!  I guess they could pay off (license) any copyright infringement they might have made!  They were, and always will be, a fascinating part of my life!  Edward

Comment by Michael S. Jackson on December 18, 2011 at 9:36am

Edward - In my book on Beatles songs, I spent an inordinate amount of time on "I Am the Walrus," so I know the expletive you're talking about (see below)! That song is the epitome of John and Paul's (even George at times) propensity to use hidden meanings, double-intendres, symbolism, and generally screwing with your head. It would have been so educational to wear their shoes in the mid to late '60s. They were amazed at their success, bored by it, loved it, hated it, and often made fun of it. Group think is like that - easily lending itself to ridicule.

My book has a photo of John dressed in his Egg Man outfit, standing at the keyboard of his piano, with his arms outstretched. Parked in the background is his psychedelic Rolls Royce. The Egg Man was Eric Brudon (The Animals). They called him that because he used to like to crack eggs on women during sex.

Walrus (1967) was a conglomerate of acid trips,nursery rhymes, and Hare Krishna teachings. The walrus in the song came from Louis Carol's, "The Walrus and the Carpenter." Somolina Prichard was the cop known for busting pop stars for drugs. The English garden was John's (his back yard where he spent most mornings).

The song includes lines from Shakespeare's "King Lear" (act IV, scene VI). It was made up from words of three of John's songs put together. After the final take, John made the comment, "Let the ******* figure that one out."

In a Playboy magazine interview, John was asked what the song meant. He replied, "Dylan gets away with murder at times; I just decided I can write this crap too."

While Paul most often had a definite idea (a goal, if you will) in mind when writing, John often patched together several poems and ideas into one song. Sometimes you saw them intertwined with Paul's stuff, sometime vice versa (e.g., "A Day In the Life"), but this one was all John's.

Fascinating and brilliant song-writing team!

Comment by Walt Pilcher on December 18, 2011 at 6:29am

Heard it before and I still like it!

Comment by Chris Wolf on December 17, 2011 at 10:34pm

Back in the mid eighties, I wanted to write a song but I didn't know how. I was just doing John Prine and Neil Young covers. Then one night I was watching SCTV (Second City Television, remember that?) with the late, great John Candy. He walked out with a western shirt, bolo, cowboy hat and guitar and he said "If ya wanna write a hit country song, ya gotta write about critters. Cuz folks like songs about critters." Up to that point, that was the best songwriting advice I had gotten. So I wrote a song and I call it "The Critter Song". I hope you like it.

It goes a little somethin' like this-

Comment by sonia kelley on December 17, 2011 at 6:28pm

I remember reading the phone book in a theatre class for the same reason ..  To show how sound tells a story

Comment by Rick Heenan on December 17, 2011 at 6:19pm

I usually write a song story to go along with the lyrics.  Just a paragraph with what I was writing about.  Some songs are self explanitory, Others need more info.  I started doing this after a couple of my songs were misinterpreted and I did a couple shows that required them for publicity.

Sometimes the nonsensical words are more to show the uses of the human voice as an instrument.  In a college english class we had to write a nonsense piece to show the power of the voice and establish the meter and tempo of the spoken words.  Not as easy as it sounds.

Skat, being a fine example.

Comment by Edward Sparks on December 17, 2011 at 5:30pm

Along these same lines...I read an interview with John Lennon and he said that when he was in school and wrote poems (early lyrics) his teachers said they were awful (rubbish) and that he would surely never amount to anything as a poet.  THEN, when he became famous early on as a songwriter in the Beatles, he heard that at that same school they were using his lyrics to teach poetry, imagery, time, and creative storytelling! He was so mad that he wrote "I am the Walrus" with it's loose references to Alice in Wonderland, but mostly nonsense words, and said "Here, let them figure this one out!"  That's not a direct quote as there were some expletives in there that I can't remember!  

Comment by Edward Sparks on December 17, 2011 at 5:24pm

I am often blown away when someone takes home one of my CD's, within which I include the lyrics, and then comes back and says "I know exactly what you were trying to say here...I have truly seen, felt, heard, or known...that!"  James Taylor was quoted  (in the mid 70's when his music and career started to take off) as saying that he would not tell others what he meant to say in a song...he would rather them take what they wanted it to mean from it.  I can agree with that...but I have found myself explaining to some people what I meant, especially when they are so off it seems ridiculous to me...but then I remember what JT said and step back and say that if it makes them happy or reminiscent of something positive they can have it for their very own!  We can't control what they feel or think, and I guess we shouldn't, we should just be happy that they are that passionate about something we created! 

I have a quote in my last CD from the book called "Song Man" by Wil Hodgkinson (the book I referred to below) that goes: "Whatever your level of success, (with songwriting) you will have written songs that mean something to someone. And that should be enough."  How true!  Edward   

Comment by sonia kelley on December 17, 2011 at 4:57pm

I am always amazed at the interpretations of my songs by others ...     sometimes it is something totally opposite what I was getting at ...   I find this wonderful, magical and interesting ..      you are right it IS  like a painting ...     it is art ...


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