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Last Saturday after my "knock knock" to see if anyone was there, Michael S Jackson raised a very important point of discussion... the effect of electronics and gadgetry on songwriting and live music. This is a subject very dear to me and I am spending a lot of my time on it...that is live music especially at the "working poor" level and all that effects it and its cumulative effect on songwriting, performance, and music in general as we know it. I indicated I would respond in due course...it may have all been forgotten now but go back and read Michael's point and the responses it is important to us and to our craft. I have responded and as usual it is not short so it won't fit here if you are interested in my outlook on it and what is happening in Australia and some of the actions which I have taken then you will have to go here http://www.bobcrain.com.au/index.php/my-take.
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I've been playing guitar for a long time now and no matter what I've been through there was always one to hand. I use all the gadgetry too. Tools are there to be used, but if you have no song, then it's all pretty pointless. I started writing short stories one night when I put up an old guy who was sleeping rough, letting him have my bed. I'd got an old typewriter that a Nun borrowed from the Archbishop of Canterbury (No, he never got it back!). Staying up all night I wrote my first story 7000 words. Using a computer, I never managed to achieve that miracle again. The story was called the Adam and Eve tree! You can take being perfect too far! The most enjoyable times I ever had was sitting round a camp fire playing guitar with friends in the middle of a field miles from anywhere looking up at the stars, watching the children dance in the moonlight as the Hale bop comet passed through the milky way! It beat all the concerts I'd ever played! The story I wrote was the start of many. I also learned how to illustrate them! A simple song is an illustration in itself!
Firstly...I just wanted to know if the site was still working and what all you regulars were doing since I hadn't seen any posts for awhile....I am trying to avoid controversy, Ed, Lon, Rick, Michael and the rest nice to know you are still upright and playing.
As far as the electronic stuff goes I don't use much, I have 1 foot peddle an A B switch so I can switch between my only 2 guitars on stage or rehearsal and as far as I am concerned the transportable digital tuner was the best invention since sliced bread never without one. I have a pick installed my '73 D-28 because there was no such thing back then, while micing up an acoustic probably attains a more acoustic sound it is a pain in the butt in most instances especially live. I have always, lets say, been less appreciative of electronically or computer enhanced music it's just not my cup of tea but I like a bit of reverb on my vocals. Ed....I write my/our set lists out by hand....I am really old school, but I do have all my music and all my song lyrics, bits and pieces, ideas, unfinished stuff etc saved on the computer however I don't use any programs, apps or toys to write with just mostly my head or my heart depending on what's coming "over the wires" at the moment. I do have a digital hand held recorder which we use at rehearsal sometimes to record arrangements to play to and I also use it for rough demos to put out. If my website designer (now also my bass player...another story) would teach me how to do it I would put a couple of demos of new songs up on my website (oh yeah I have one of those) along with the lyrics and send the link out to you guys for comment...whenever I try to do it directly to this page it never works mostly because my songs are too long to download here and so are the lyrics.....on that matter I am still "dylanesque" but shortening them up a bit especially for live performances. So I suppose in respect to electrics I make use of some stuff but of course being technologically challenged a lot it I just live without and go old school.
In respect to the other and much more important issue that Michael raised being Live Music opportunities .... this is a major subject for me which I am intimately involved in here in Australia and especially Melbourne which is the Live Music Mecca of Australia. I am going to have to come back to you on that one as it is a massive subject with lots of intersecting lines but trust me I feel the pain it will take a while and it is really really important!!!!!
On a lighter note ASHBURY MEDICINE SHOW had it's debut performance last night which went pretty well... I'll get some photos and a rundown up on the website soon.
A pleasure to hear from you all .... remember, we (us veterans) may be the "past" of music but we all hold the future of it in our hands.
You know... I don't consider myself a snob, but whenever I go to an open mic or a live show. I would like to see what the raw talent is like. http://youtu.be/zVxsJdp6lh0
I have a trio too, and we do the same thing. We have the trio, The Heenan Brothers and Bauer. Then we have a duo, Big Brother and Bauer, or just The Heenan Bros. my son and myself . Solo, I go as Magnus Frater or just Heenan
This time of the year things slow down. Right now we are rebuilding our song list getting ready to record some. Hopefully by spring we'll have a product. Still looking fore those gigs though.
Good discussion. I've lost interest in electronics because currently for me the most rewarding performance experience is when you can connect with an audience with just voice, guitar, and a good song. To Michael Jackson's question, I don't really seek out paying performance opportunities, so don't have a sense of the impact of the loss there. Instead I like playing at jams or open mics where, in this area at least, you'll find a lot of people who play music for music's sake. Some do play occasional gigs. But for me, even back in the pre-digital days when people hired bands, it was a lot of work for a little pay and you often played songs you wouldn't otherwise care to play. Now I show up with a guitar at one of the numerous open mics in the area when the spirit moves me, play songs I like, and enjoy meeting and listening to like-minded musicians.
I am in a trio and we are having problems finding gigs that will pay for three people! In the beginning one of the reasons Crosby, Stills and Nash called themselves that was because they wanted to be able to play as the trio and/or various duo combinations and still be easily recognized, as if they would have had a problem being recognized! For the same reason we call ourselves "Sparks, Raymond & McCoy" and we play in various combinations and the theory really works. The point here is that since our partner Raymond is on the raid a lot now, McCoy and I are carrying on as the duo...you guessed it "Sparks & McCoy". As a duo there seems to be a good of venues that can support us money wise as well as a big enough stage to accomadate us. But the pickings are definitely more slim i the salt few years. We have been unusual that we have gotten gigs and then stayed there playing once or twice a month for years! Recently we had a really great gig that lasted for three years, then the place was bought and they changed the format...they no longer have live music on the weekends, only DJ's, and more unusual, the live music there is on Wednesdays and Thursdays...a complete flip flop from when we were there!!! Usually the DJ's and Karoke were regulated to the weekdays and live music on the weekends... So, I agree that the electronic and pre-recorded stuff has taken jobs, (fortunately for us these kinds of acts are a flash in the pan) for us it's just the lower money offerings and the size of venues which want our music has diminished.
Michael and Rick,
I am with you here...in most cases I do not use fancy technology to make music...I have never been a fan of loopers or pre-recorded backup. That said, I do use a bit of technology LIVE.
We play before large, medium and small audiences and w need to be on board quickly and easily to keep the show going.
I use an electronic tuner on all my instruments, I need to be in tune every song.
I use pickups on all instruments, including banjo...I have to be "in the mix"
I use an iPAD with an app called "Setlists". The app allows us to create, name and save set lists for all our shows and reuse them as is or as a template to create a new one from the stored song catalog database of our songs. We all have the app and an iPAD mounted to a mic stand next to us...using bluetooth technology we can all view the same list and all iPADS change when one changes, keeping us on program!
I use a midi guitar called the "YRG2" which plays like a guitar, but sends a midi signal to a piano module for acoustic piano sounds. Nothing on this instrument is created for you except the sound coming out of the speakers is a piano. Needless to say, this turns some heads!
I actually saw a vocal synth unit that synthesizes 4-part harmonies from your one part vocal input...the "program" name on the readout was "Crosby,Stills,Nash"!!! Now that I thought was funny! That would never go on sage with me...my trio does our best to recreate those vocals LIVE!
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